(July 14, 2015) Dr J was invited to speak at Summit Ministries’ conference in Dayton, Tennessee, to a group of high school students. Here she’s giving
a talk on the difference between kinship and contracts. Incidentally, this is her first talk after the Supreme Court decision Obergefell v. Hodges
mandating genderless marriage in all 50 states. This is the second part of her talk–if you missed the first one, check out the previous podcast–and
she also took questions, which are available for download over at the Ruth Refuge.

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